La Presse reports today that thirty years ago this week the Parti Quebecois won for the first time (PQ in La Presse) on November 15 1976.La Presse also wrote in another article published today how the Iggy's Nation resolution could pass because of how the convention's timetable is structured.
The vote later this month could pass like it did at the Special General Council in Montreal last month. The room was packed with Iggys and the vote was early in the day (before many Liberals arrived). At convention, Liberals are due to vote on this Wednesday, which is before many of the out of province delegates are expected to arrive in Montreal.
The policy vote is also scheduled to take placee at the same time as a Leadership activity. La Presse points out that this could also have an impact on the voter turnout.
Has anyone else noticed that some votes in Quebec that involve LPCQ seem to be tainted in some way? Should someone speak up or not? Beware, this Nation resolution could possibly become Liberal policy even though it is very unpopular in Canada and Quebec.
Further process manipulation? La Presse came short of accusing anyone, but certainly built a case. Steve MacKinnon is quoted (with loose translation) saying they are are making efforts ensure that as many delegates have access to all aspects of the congress. Good political answer, Steve!
Jean LaPierre is also quoted. His comments remind me more of Brian Mulroney when he tore up the Canadian constitution for the press prior to the vote on Meech Lake Accord to create fear and pressure to pass it. Lapierre, formerly a soft-nationalist, is quoted (a loose translation by me) as saying that it would be an insult to Quebecers if the nation resolution is rejected. I guess we have no choice but to vote for it then. Is this exactly the type of situation Jean Lapierre is trying to highlight as common with respect to some Quebecers who, in face of political uncertainty, either revert to soft nationalism or leave the province altogether?
Would anyone agree that Liberals with a stake in Canada should stand up against process manipulation? Is this playing with fire? Is democracy being served?
Certainly not Quebec, Canada or the Liberal party. I would guess that Nationalist sentiments in a provincial election year would benefit. Could this be the spark that will make sure the PQ govern again thirty years later and would get sovereignty back on the agenda in 2007?
What if all real Liberals were to push for disqualification of LPCQ 2006 resolutions because of bad procedure? This would allow more important Nov 2005 resolutions to be voted on at National instead. This would include the Resolution on the Rights of the Child to have Meaningful Access to both Parents, which became Liberal policy in November 2005.
While those who have a vested interest may ignore critisisms that are not expressly made to try to keep this time bomb train moving, it will slow right down if Liberals speak up.
The evidence is strong and the movement is growing fast. So, Liberals should bind together to stop this resolution in its tracks before it hits convention. Let's stop this before convention.
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There is enough people at convention wednesday afternoon and thursday morning to stop it. don't worry
The point is this should not even go to a vote, because of the flawed processes that put this on the agenda. This is too dangerous for many Quebecers, as LaPierre warns, though, he apparently wants fear of a Quebec backlash to motivate Liberals to vote for it for the wrong reasons.
What do you think LaPierre should do to continue in politics if the Nation resolution is rejected and he happens to be frozen out by the next leader? He has a few options that are all too familiar.
Part of me wants this Nation thing to be struck down because it is stupid. Iggy is not what I thought he was.
Maybe it should just go away and Liberals can remember it was Iggy's people who pushed it to the edge of disaster.
Alex. I look forward to seeing you face to face so you can tell me more about these lies I tell. I guess you have graduated to the advanced spinners club. Antonio was provocative when he did the FD garbage spin, and you offer the same genre it seems.
Let's see if you are so bold in perpetuating your Iggy, Cerberus, Antonio type spin in face of the truth, which will be in front of your nose shortly at convention.
We are not talking about a handful of Anglos opposing this. People from all over Quebec are calling to say they will protest or leave the party if it passes: francophones, allophones and anglophones.
Your numbers are wrong and I will be certain to continue to point out the spin lies you spread so that those opposed to this make a point to express to you personally their displeasure with this Iggy bullshit spin you sling from the privacy of your computer room.
Do you pull that "Angry Anglo" garbage from this morning "Iggy" spin talking points too? Pretty divisive comments on language lines if you ask me. If this is where this is going, there is no doubt in my mind you are on the wrong road. Thanks for the proof!
The Bill Hogg argument is old and disproven so put it aside already. Very weak if you ask me.
Alex, that was a rather ill-advised comment. Not very smart at all.
Angry Anglo
I thought Alex might take down the comment from 9:48am today when he came to his senses. So, I cut it just in case because there is no excuse for this type of blatantly discriminatory comment. Here it is:
Alex Plante said...
"First, the resolution was brought forward by a Dion supporter and member of the policy commission, Bill Hogg.
It is supported by most Quebec Liberals. Only a handful of angry anglos are against it. The type of Anglos that haven't evolved since the 1950-1960s. The ones that caused the separatist movement to erupt.
Most anglophones I know feel that they are part of the Quebec nation. So no worry for the West Island seats.
When you say that the nation resolution was passed at the General Councit at the beginning when people weren't there. That's ANOTHER LIE. IT WAS RESOLUTION NO. 24 and the room was full.
Don't spread lies.
Alex
9:48 AM"
C'est bien Alex qui répandait la rumeur que Mme Krieber (Dion) avait voté pour la résolution sur la nation? tss! tss! Comme c'est vilain!
S'il compte tous ses votres de la même façon, il aura une grosse surprise à la fin.
Kyoto
"This would allow more important Nov 2005 resolutions to be voted on at National instead."
I'm confused - what does National mean?
Annon 9:30. The National means the Leadership/Policy convention later this month in Montreal.
You see how "National" is confusing. Please, let the party get out of this debate.
La présidente
Now the Iggy Youth are over at my blog defending Antonio for this. Apparently Antonio says 'Anglo' all the time and we shouldn't be offended. Just goes to show how disconnected they are from reality.
La Présidente, on essaye bien fort!
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