Approximately 59 out of 75 ridings in Quebec have changes in delegate numbers after yesterday’s recount.
Who lost delegates? The big machines. All of them.
Who also lost? Those smaller campaigns in Quebec who sought to replicate the sometimes dodgy organisational tactics of the powerful and wealthy campaigns. Unfortunately the example they followed seems to be that of those same organisational machines that emerged when the party split years ago. Arguably, this split has never healed. It is why there was a Liberal scandal also why the Party lost the last election. Let's be honest about what is and what isn't true renewal.
Who won? The leadership candidate who is running on his own merits and who believes and demonstrates through action the purity and fairness of process.
What do Liberals really represent and what will Liberals really be voting for at convention? The Party will be better off if Liberals ask themselves that question and answer it honestly.
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I'm not following your line of argument here.
The party miscounted some delegate forms. They mistakenly rejected Bevilacqua/Bennett/Fry delegate votes instead of considering them to be undeclared. The Ignatieff campaign pointed that out even though it would likely affect them most and, because a consensus could not be reached among the campaigns about how to deal with it, they are appropriately having a recount.
We're talking about 25-35 delegates out of about 1100. That's 3% or so.
Why are you trying to make the whole party look bad and corrupt in an attempt to make Gerard look good? Gerard looks good without that kind of help and he ends up, if he won, with an even more broken party with less chance of winning the next election.
You ask for honesty. Please show some.
Ted
Cerberus
It still serves as a reminder of yet another reason why the next leader has to clean house in Quebec. Incompetence is as much a firing offence as malfeasance in my books.
Cerberus. This is not about Gerard. Think about it. Look at the numbers later when you have access to them and see who benefited from this and why.
Your argument of guilt and "party reputation" is the same dodgy one used yesterday by the big party machines in an attempt to sweep this under the rug. Why? Que
Bono - who benefits!
Because the complaint came from Ignatieff's team and from the riding of the Quebec party president - and was later withdrawn - is a evidence of the desire to manipulate the outcome - this was the problem with process on super weekend also. There are too many examples.
Fair process is not about manipulating the rules no matter who had issues with the interpretation of the rules initially.
Until the party talks openly about why there is a taint, the taint will live on. This type of comment will not help the healing.
Ted,
You don't know what happened in the negotiations with the campaigns. I do. And I can tell you, you're way off.
Also, pretty sure Views isn't a Kennedy supporter.
The LPCQ made an error - many errors, in fact. First the Iggsters called them on it, then tried desperately to make make it go away. They then had the audacity to suggest the campaigns who supported yesterdays' exercise (which they initially asked for) are undemocratic and lamely justify this by suggesting that 'we' are keeping peopkle from convention. Let's be clear here: If you run a pack of Montrealers all over rural Quebec, squawk VICTORY, then try to backtrack when the tactic bites back, you deserve what you get it. The smaller campaigns who didn't stack ridings came out of the process unharmed. Play big, lose big. Play small, win big.
I wish I knew what y'all were talking about. Why all the mystery? When will the Liberal offical count online be updated?
Are the updated totals available online?
well seems to be that undeclared will benefit. Now in my riding Kennedy stacked the undeclared delegates with the same "cultural" family that he used to rig the rest of the vote. So if the assumption here is that gerrard benefits from more undecided candidates that would mean that he is the one lacking honesty and integrity. I myself was quite pleased that undecalred did not get enough votes in my riding for a delegate under these circumstances.
Thing is if undeclareds don't show candidates don't get to backfill them so the whole party will ose because these people won't go to convention and we will have lost at least some delegates who did want to participate.
Sb,
Get some professional help.
One thing is clear, the President of the LPC-Q ROBERT FRAGASSO, must resign.
This is an outrage.
He was told by many to stay neutral but he chose to back a candidate. Now he is stuck with the label of manipulator.
RESIGN ROBERT!!
I agree. Fragasso should resign. He is beyond corrupt.
sb
obsessive compulsive anyone/
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